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Sankt Hallvard · Oct 14, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Bear

I bet the majority of people that maxed these titles did it by either the old FFF or DT/MQ sc and not AB/JQ/FA. So with that being a fact why should you be given a PvP title for doing PvE?

Oh hey, I was just trying to make a witty remark playing on the notion that "AB isn't real pvp, it's pve". Unfortunate that hard core pve'ers now "need" to do RA as their pvp instead of AB.

For the record I recently maxed my kurz title and it's all through AB. I'm also meeting the glad and hero requirements and generally don't give a toss about titles.

Dawn Angelheart · Oct 14, 2010, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by ` Marshmallow

I agree with removing it, though :C Lux/Kurz titles should be PvP:\

Then remove all ways of getting the points in PvE. It's as simple as that. A pvp title should be only obtainable through Pvp.

mathiastemplar · Oct 14, 2010, 01:53 PM // 13:53

These threads are getting rediculous...

Srsly, why would anyone deserve to be "Champion of the Gods" without having played any sort of pvp...?
Kurz/lux is pve, Zaishen should be too.

It's not like it takes forever to get Gladiator/Champion r3 compared to some of them PvE titles..... >.<''

Reformed · Oct 14, 2010, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by fowlero

There's barely any complaints from the PvP community having to PvE, except that one moronic thread where everyone disagrees with the OP.

Why would dedicated PvP players care about cosmetic PvE rewards in GW2?

Is this debate a matter of principle? Because if it is, as principled people, why do you care about cosmetic items other players will get? Suppose I'd /sign this suggestion...it's one less thing for people to fuss over.

Falkin · Oct 14, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Since there is evidently a big "to do" over the PvP titles allowed for HoM in some cirlces, why not just remove the requirement all together?

PvP players will be happy b/c PvE players aren't buying "their" titles and Pve player are happy b/c they don't have to deal with PvP players.

Granted one could still use them for the HoM, there would just be no requirement. Heck then they could make the Zaishen title PvE and no PvE players would care.

Sure, then lets remove the obsidian armor as well, and everything ells that makes the 50 points hard to reach.

big time /not signed

Dawn Angelheart · Oct 14, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Why would dedicated PvP players care about cosmetic PvE rewards in GW2?

I myself used to be a 50/50 Pve/pvp'er. I guess Even though I've spent the last year and a half only doing Pvp. The 4 years previous were Pve. I'd consider myself a Pvp'er more than Pve. In gw2 I at least think some of the Pvp community(what's left anyway) will try the PvE.

Why should they start at a disadvantage just because they don't like gw1 pve? As said by Anet gw1 pve wont be the same, So saying a Pvp'er should start at a disadvantage for how they play the previous game is a tad bit crummy.

Reformed · Oct 14, 2010, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart

Why should they start at a disadvantage just because they don't like gw1 pve? As said by Anet gw1 pve wont be the same, So saying a Pvp'er should start at a disadvantage for how they play the previous game is a tad bit crummy.

Cosmetic items/titles that can't be traded <----> Disadvantage in game

Can you see the disconnect now?

Ranger Jaap · Oct 14, 2010, 02:44 PM // 14:44

/notsigned PVE's are lucky that they have zaishen title count as pvp title.

jazilla · Oct 14, 2010, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

I doubt you're the guy that "started it". It's not like it's a tough opinion to come to.

i meant i was the dude that started the thread lol.

RedStar · Oct 14, 2010, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Ursan is a skill that was overpowerd and was dealt with quick. So were many PvP skills.

It was nerfed almost one year after GWEN was released...(of course it took people something like 2 months to find out how OP'd it was, so the ursan frenzy lasted around 10 months and after came SF.

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Why should they start at a disadvantage just because they don't like gw1 pve? As said by Anet gw1 pve wont be the same, So saying a Pvp'er should start at a disadvantage for how they play the previous game is a tad bit crummy.

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Originally Posted by Wiki

The rewards from the Hall of Monuments are unique – there is no other way to earn them and they cannot be traded between accounts or sold. For this reason, their appeal will be mainly cosmetic; they will not give the player any huge advantages over other players.

If you really want those tiny advantages you have more than a year to hunt titles...and getting those 30 points takes less than a year (unless of course you want to go after the more time consuming tasks).

Ben-A-BoO · Oct 14, 2010, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Grumpy Bear

While AB is in fact PvP, Lux/Kurz title is the only 'PvP' title you can gain and max without having to step foot in an AB or CM. For Glad you have had to either gone to RA or TA. For Champ you have to GvG. For Hero you have to HA.

That Kurzick/Luxon isn't considered a (pure) PvP title is understandable.
That the Zaishen title track is considered PvP is puzzling.
That the Skillz title track is not considered PvP blows my mind!

However all that doesn't make the PvP-Title requirement less legit for acquiring the highest game completion title "Champion of the Gods". It just makes sense to include it.

fowlero · Oct 14, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Why would dedicated PvP players care about cosmetic PvE rewards in GW2?

Is this debate a matter of principle? Because if it is, as principled people, why do you care about cosmetic items other players will get? Suppose I'd /sign this suggestion...it's one less thing for people to fuss over.

I'm sure every player planning on GW2 wants something from HoM. Regardless pve/pvp.

I've no idea what you're on about with principled people. I haven't got a care in the world what others get, i'd like everyone to get all the items. Just don't see the necessity to ask for a 3 point thing to be removed when it's clearly only asking removal for the title section which is vanity. As it's easy to get 30 without a pvp title.

FengShuiDove · Oct 14, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

It's fine as is.

Šiljo · Oct 14, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

/notsigned

Get a 1,2,3 build and farm 1st 3 ha maps.

*lemming* · Oct 14, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

R10 Norn is used as a requirement because it acts as the attribute for PvE skills. If someone wanted to join a PvP team but only had 170 attribute points would you let them in?

The difference between r8 norn and r10 norn is much less than that between 170 attribute points and 200.

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Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

Oh, and plenty of PvPers call other players bad because they don't have XXX title, even moreso than in PvE.

No one who's competent at PvP will ever do that. Don't mistakenly assume that terrible people are representative - in fact, that attitude probably has a lot to do with them being terrible.

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Originally Posted by Hell Darkblight

Here are some of the skills in pvp that were change through power of your bitching and whining :
Primal Rage, Overload, Mark of Insecurity, BB, smiters boon (you really nailed it here), Palm Strike, Warriors Endurance, VoR, Magebane, Blinding Surge, Mark of Reaper etc etc. And thats only few skills mentioned.

Are you going to argue that none of them merited a nerf?

Besides, if Izzy were listening to us in the first place, most of those would never have been buffed.

jackinthe · Oct 14, 2010, 09:01 PM // 21:01

removing the requirement would solve nothing for pvpers lol.
if anything, they should be madder

Duranin · Oct 14, 2010, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by lutz

A single guild battle... a Zaishen Key
A 1.5 hour automated tournament, first place... 150 reward points, or 30 Zaishen Keys
A 6 hour monthly automated tournament, first place... priceless. A gold cape and four stacks of Zaishen Keys.

And how many people in GW PvP in champ range guilds?
What percentage of the entire GW community is that?

On topic: /not signed
I don't see what the big deal is. I think counting Zaishen rank as a PvP title isn't entirely correct, but it makes things a lot easier for the PvE'ers. Besides it means you'll have more people spearing each other in town.

Reverend Dr · Oct 15, 2010, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Personally I wish there was more to the HoM that revolved around PvP.

However the only things that the game has kept tract of are titles and the pvp title system is pretty terrible.

Yue · Oct 15, 2010, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Shit ain't hard. Less QQ more pew pew. A nutless monkey could get half those pvp titles.

Lanier · Oct 15, 2010, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by Yue

Shit ain't hard. Less QQ more pew pew. A nutless monkey could get half those pvp titles.

Well I guess us QQers arnt as leet as you are at this game.

I don't understand why some people assume its easy to get these titles.